I received a demo of the design 108 today and I have to say that I was surprised to see that it has the same 8 programs as the design 36. It also had half of the red LEDs out no lenses and no DMX input cable??

Wierd..I am sure it was a prototype, where the updated chip hasn't been implemented.
Also, who ever sent it to you should have informed you that it was a prototype piece?

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Originally posted by PU lighitng:
I received a demo of the design 108 today and I have to say that I was surprised to see that it has the same 8 programs as the design 36. It also had half of the red LEDs out no lenses and no DMX input cable??

Did you ever get this fixture working? What are your thoughts? I am debating on some new wash fixtures for my light rig and can't decide between Design 36 (already have 8), Colorado 1's, Tri64B's or something else.

Correct version of DLED 108 now in stock.
Best regards,

I never got a chance to hook it up to control do to missing parts. I do own several colorado 1 and they are not a good wash lite. They have a very bright narrow Beam and make good beam lights . I like my design 36 as a wash unit and use them in that fashion often. .

Is that because the Colorado ships without a diffusion filter? I would assume it is. I see the list price has been dropped on the Tri64B so one would think it now contends with DLED 36 and others.

You are correct bdunard in the fact that the Colorado is brighter then a DLED36 do to lack of a diffusion filter. I did a side by side of an Opti RGB and a DLED36 and the Opti was brighter, but had a much smaller beam then the DLED36.

As far as DLED36 vs Tri64B, they might be about even at the same beam size do to the fact that the DLED uses Luxeons and the Tri64B doesn't. Luxeons are some of the best LEDs you can get, and are priced accordingly. They have a higher output per watt than other 'generic' LEDs. The Luxeon K2s in the DLED108 are even better, hence why they are more then 3 times brighter at exactly 3 times the power, given same beam size, vs a DLED36.

Also, while on the subject of lenses, wasn't Elation suppose to release different lenses for the DLED36? This would make it more comparable with the Coemar Par Lite LED then. I heard this but never saw anything come of it. John, maybe you can help me out on this one?

Thanks for the info. I am looking to add some wash fixtures to my new stage. I have truss with 6 Elation DLED 36's uplighting an Austrian sewn backdrop, I have added 6 of the new TriBrick LED's as eye candy on the rear truss. Now I just need to get rid of my Source 4's with color changers. I am keeping to S4's to light the singers up front but would like to add 2 to 3 LED wash fixtures on each tree to wash the band (9 piece band). I've been recommended everything. I would like to be in the $3K to $4K for all the fixtures. I actually thought about the new Design Panel 72IP but I could only afford two...and I don't know if that would do it. The 108IP looks promising as well but I would need 6 and that puts it out of my price range. The Chauvet Colorado 1's and 3's look nice but the 30 degree lens for the Colorado 1 is about $80 extra! If you have any other thoughts I would love to hear them!

I think your best bet would probably to go with DLED36s since they come stock with the 39 degree beam angle. You can also get roughly 2 for the price of one DLED108.

Have you looked at the Opti RGB with lens kit? This might be an option since it is cheaper then the DLED36s, with the lens kit.

Here is another idea, look at the Opti 30 RGB. You should be able to get between 10-15 at that price range. You can use those 10-15 Opti 30s to replace the DLED36s for your back drop wash and move the DLEDs up front for front wash. The Opti 30 RGBs won't be nearly as punchy as a DLED36 and have a smaller beam size, but the bang for the buck is great on these things.

I have some shots of a DLED36 vs a Opti 30 RGB if you would like me to post them so you can get an idea.

That would be great if you could post the pics!

I think I might go with either a TriBrick or a TriPar.

I can't really go with anything less bright on my backdrop. I might keep my DLED 36's on the backdrop and just buck up and pay for the TriPars or TriBrick's for my wash. I am going to borrow a TriPar can and compare it to my TriBrick and DLED 36. I might even get a Colorado 3 since it is in the same price range.

I like my design 60 strip allot and if you used them to up light the drop it would look great. Then you could use the 6 DLED36 up front.

I really want to go with something brighter for washes. I know the DLED 36's would get it done but they aren't quite Pars 500's yet. I compared the TriPar 64 to a S4 575W and there is still a good amount of distance between them. I also want to to try an LED fixture that has RGBAW. I do mostly a rock/funk show so I don't need great pastels but you never know.

Ok bdunard, here are the shots. Sorry it took a while to do, been really busy.

First is white. The Opti 30 RGB on the left and DLED36 on the right. The target is about 5 feet away.

As you can see, the DLED 36 is brighter, though not by much. The beam is also bigger, as would be expected in 25 degree angle vs 39 degree angle.

Next is red.


Then green.


And lastly blue.


One interesting thing I learned while doing this, the Opti 30 RGB is much better at matching the gel colors in the gel selector then the DLED 36 is on the Road Hog. The DLED36 had a knack for being brighter then it should, meaning too much white. It also on some colors was completely off, like R332, R96, and R57 just as a few examples.

I have also done this vs a S4 ParNel lamped with a 750w extended life lamp and went color for color on the Hog's gel picker. The DLED 36 keeps up just fine, against a 575w extended life lamp, it should be on about the same level.

PS: Sorry about photo quality, forgot my camera at home and used the camera phone instead.

Thanks for the pics!

Does the Design 36 have the plastic diffusion plate in it?

Also, I compared a 575W S4 to a design 36 and the S4 is brighter on some colors (yellows, oranges, whites, etc...) but the DLED 36 makes a much more
"dense" red, green, blue, pink, and teal. So I thought maybe getting the 3W DLED 108IP might be a better deal (wider beam and a bit brighter) compared to a DLED 26 without diffusion. However, after doing a show this weekend I have noticed that the musicians perceive the DLED 36 as much brighter at the source than a conventional fixture. I can only get the fixtures so high so I wondered if getting the 3W DLED 108IP would be too bright and cause the players to squint? I am trying to find a 108IP here locally to demo but no luck as of yet.

Yes it does. I am still wondering if they are going to make different plates for them like Coemar has for their ParLite LED series, which is the direct comparison to Elation's DLED36.

I have actually found that musicians love the LEDs over conventionals do to the lack of heat. They also love that I can get 'high' powered lights into a space with little to no power and not have to worry about tripping breakers.

The nice part when someone thinks something is too bright, dim it. And then when you need the punch, it is there.

On that note, running conventionals at around 75-80% over 100% greatly increases lamp life. If you as are bumping them, try leaving them on at about 5-10%. No one can see it glowing, but it helps the lamp with the sudden in rush currents associated with bumping, again helping lamp life. Bumping lamps from off to full on to off again is one of the worst things you can do with lamps. Sorry for the little side comment.