http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNYfV4ODUTA

I know that a spot can do more effects with gobos and prisms but considering that wash fixture are generally brighter and they do CMY mixing it makes it difficult to choose. I really like the look of the above youtube video as the lights change color down the line. I am guessing I am looking at Mac 300's by what is listed in the youtube video. Are there any tricks other than the rainbow effect that I am not seeing with the washes? Some friends have recommended that I don't get washes because they say you can get close with prism, iris, focus and frost control. I'm just wondering that if you applied all those effects would it be less bright than a wash in the first place. Looking for advice, pics, videos and anything that will help me with my future purchase. Thanks!

bdunard,

Yes, a wash will be about from 40 brighter than a spot.
You have a lot more light being projected along a bigger beam of light.
However, that's all a wash fixture does.. color change.. but the beam of light it projects is impressive.
Most rigs require a 1 to 1 ratio where you have 1 wash to every spot. So if you have 8 Spots you should also have 8 washes.

But with the Frost filter of the Design Spot's it helps resolve not having to buy so many washes. Still the wash effect of a design spot cuts down a lot more light from the fixture. up to 20% of the light.. So when you compare a spot in wash mode or a wash.. the Wash will blow it away..

Now comes the CMY... We just released the Design Spot 300E.
Its a Design Spot 250Pro with CMY color mixing! This fixture will give you the color changing effect you see on the video PLUS!! gobos, prisms, Iris and wash! You can use the IRIS out of focus plus the CMY efffect to generate what you see in the video. and not lose out on gobos!

Best regards,

Is the "rainbow effect" that is listed on the elation site for the design wash 250 the same smooth color changing that I see in the video? Or is the color change in the video a carefully programmed chase?

The design 300 looks great! However I don't think I can pull the trigger on a fixture that is that much more. It's a bit out of my range at this point as I see it lists for $2k more than the Design Spot 250. At the end of the day I would like to have more beams of light I think than just a couple of bright lights.

yes you can program the washes to do a rainbow chase like that but it will take a controller like compu live to program it. The rainbow effect is revered to as a color wheel scroll. Not a cmy effect. sincerely,

Nope.. its not the same.. you need CMY and you need a controller that has an offset feature.
This is found in Compu Like Jingles said, and aslo SD3.

Best regards,

I think there is an offset tutorial on youtube. I need to check that out.

I would look into the DS 250 Wash for that effect on the cheap. It is the cheapest CMY moving head out I believe. The CMY might not be that punchy on dark colors do to the 250w lamp however. If you are really set on that effect, and it is a great effect, I would look into the washes. Remember, washes can be used for other things too. Stuff like fading in between colors for stage washes smoothly vs color scrolling which you would need twice as many fixtures to do without being seen scrolling is a big plus.

Just remember this too, CMY, while great, isn't very efficient on how is goes about creating color. Quite a bit of light is lost vs using a gel or dichroic to get the color you want. This is why you generally see it in higher powered lights only.

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Originally posted by Elation_Pro:
Nope.. its not the same.. you need CMY and you need a controller that has an offset feature.
This is found in Compu Like Jingles said, and aslo SD3.

Best regards,

Can't find the section of the Compu Live manual that shows how to use "offset" feature. I also thought there was a youtube video for this but can't find it either. Anyone that can point me to some informative articles or videos on offset programming I would really appreciate it. Thanks!

bdunard wassup? here is a video i did a little while back on the "effects generator" for compu live. this video has audio (me talkng) so give it a watch and see if it answers some of your questions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CalrO6z_Ne0
sincerely,

The video is great. I didn't even know there was an fx editor. Looks like I should be able to do a alot with that. Of course I still have questions...

1. Once you create your effect, why do you go to easy time to save the scene? What is easy time?

I am sure a lot of this would make sense if I had a few movers and could experiment and see what is going on.

Jingles,

I am recreating your youtube video and I am curious how when you touch one fader it effects all the lights (i.e. when you open the dimmer it opens all the dimmers on all the lights) When I do it it only opens one light. Is there something that you did to link them?

oh ya sorry I guess I Musca forgot that part in the video. Sorry. Yes you simply hold down the shift key and it will move all the relative faders for the same fixture types. For e ample if u have 4 ds250's and 2 power spot 250's and u click on a ds 250 fader and hold shift it will move all the ds 250 faders for that channel. Sincerely,

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Originally posted by bdunard:
Jingles,

I am recreating your youtube video and I am curious how when you touch one fader it effects all the lights (i.e. when you open the dimmer it opens all the dimmers on all the lights) When I do it it only opens one light. Is there something that you did to link them?

Nevermind I tried holding Shift and that did it.

Ok, last question before I go to bed. Since I don't have any moving head fixtures just yet it was hard to justify buying the software. However, I threw up some of DLED 36's and I can do some great effects with these that are not possible on my show designer 1. Ok tell me how to accomplish this in the real world.

1. I want to create a dimmer chase for Design LED 36's that I can save and then overlay on any of my other static DLED 36 scenes.

i.e. Say I have 3 scenes programmed for my DLED's.
Scene 1 all red
Scene 2 all blue
Scene 3 all green

When I am playing live I press a midi foot controller to recall the different scenes on my show designer 1. On the show designer if I only adjust the dimmer channel to strobe then it only saves that channel data. So I only adjust the dimmer channel so it will strobe. I then save it as scene 4. So now if I select scene 1 all my DLED's turn red, if I then hit scene 4 all the DLED's stay red and strobe. I would call Scene 4 an overlay but I don't know if that is the correct term.

That all being said how would I create a dimmer chase for DLEDs and then save as scene that would overlay another scene?

Thanks!

btw, how is the midi going? Hopefully soon I will be able to tell you how it integrates with external controller.

are you talking about creating this on the software or SD?