I mostly play on 16' x 24' stages. I am trying to pick out some moving heads and LEDS that will work together. I am considering the new TriPar and some Design Spot 250's. I know the new Design Spot Pro 250 has better optics but I can tell how much brighter it is going to be at this point because I can't find a photometrics page on the original design spot. That being said if the max stage size is going to 16 x 24 and the lights are going to be a max height of 12' to 15' above us on the rear do you think the Design Spot 250's will work just fine?

Yes.. they will. the Desing Spot 250Pro is 16% brighter than the reg DS250. It has improved optics.
In white you can't really see it, but when you put colors it makes a difference. but for the size of your stage either DS250 or DS250Pro will work fine.
However I don't think it can ever be to bright..that's why the lights have dimmers.

It also depends on what other lights your using.

Best regards,

John,

Currently my front washes are S4' with color scrollers and 375W bulbs. These will eventually change out with Tri64B can but this won't be for a bit. What I am thinking about doing is placing 6 TriBrick or 6 Tri64B on the rear truss with the design spot 250. After seeing the TriBrick I really think this is the future for fixtures that are going to have the LED's visually exposed to the audience.

One other thing to take account is that I do a lot of black-tie and wedding events and the more affluent and older crowd are not impressed with movers that hit them in the eyes on a regular basis. I know this isn't a problem for pop concerts but I have seen it on a regular basis from shows that I have played. That being said I think it's more of a programming issue.

Yes.. programming thing for sure.
I don't think we'll ever impress the older crowd with lighting.
or loud music.. haha.

Yes.. I agree the Tri bricks will give you a very nice effect.

best regards,

Sometimes for fancier events, smooth wash effects work great and can generate a somewhat more refined feel. It really depends on the crowd, but I would agree too that some people just don't want concert lighting at their event (not all of them, but some).

The Design Spot would be great because of the frost/wash effect that can be utilized. They can move (or not), and still provide you with the lighting that fits your event's needs. Plus, when you're playing a gig that calls for more effects from your lighting, then you can call up the hard-edged beam, gobos, and prisms.

I think the idea is having subtlety with the potential to knock their socks off (when needed of course).

Lightech,

What you said is well stated. What I am trying to do is what most one-can't provide.

1. A low wattage rig with pro output (LED's make this possible but are very expensive for the upper end fixture)

2. A rig that can be set-up in about an hour and has a non industrial look (less steel exposed, very little extra room taken up around the stage, clean, etc...)

3. Finally and what's really important to me. To have a light show that is programmed for the band and is song specific. i.e. the show has been programmed to match the songs with the hits, solos, bumps, and black outs all being spot on like a touring concert. I think this is when the client can really see what a difference lights make. This just doesn't happen to often at the one-off wedding, fundraiser level.

We just did a show with Bandit Lites that was chaired by the owner and his wife. Needless to say we had more lights than most touring acts easy. It was great to see all the movers, LED curtains, custom special effects, LED tubes, lasers, rotating stage in the round but what it lacked was integration with the songs. This is what I am trying to do on a very micro level...it's just that I will never make my money back so it's hard to justify spending $15,000 in lights because I will never make it back. However, if people would see it I think I could charge a bit extra. I have a passion for this kind of stuff but it is really hard to not just pay more of the house off!

What are you using for control?? You should see some of the stuff Jingles does... He loves sinchronizing lights to music.

I am thinking about purchasing CompuLive EC. I don't really have too much of a problem with programming once I understand the software. I have seen some of Jingles work and it looks great! I also have to say he has been great with helping me learn the software.

Yes its true i love synching to music and compu live makes it so much easier. bdunard thanks. i hope you liked the videos. if u need any more help with the software its not to hard to get in touch with me. sincerely,

oh side note. if you buy the 1024EC you will NOT be able to synch using easy show. cant do it in that version. you are gonna need the 2048FC or higher. just wanted to make that clear. sincerely,

I don't even know what syncing to easy show is? Is that like having your song laid out in an audio daw and being able to mark scenes at certain points within the timeline of the tune?

ya it is kinda like video editing software where you can add stuff to a music track. but on this one u can add video and music and lighting cues on the time line and adjust how long they play for and all that stuff. if you buy it i will show you. its not hard. sincerely,

It would be a little tough for a show that isn't synced to midi...if the tempo varies then you are a bit screwed...is this correct?

hmmm i assume that it should be ok as as long as the cues stay on the same midi notes and the notes are placed right that it would be ok but i do not know midi. YET! lol i can double check this tomm. sincerely,

Hmmm, that wouldn't make much sense to me. I would assume that if you played to a "click" track that had midi notes it would work but what if you don't have any midi instruments on stage?