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Re: Roller Rink Wash with LED?

elationpro ·
Hi Mikey, I have a customer who did a roller rink using Power Spot 250's and mainly the power wash 250 and cmy zoom 250 to color the floor. These would normally be ok for 20' distances, We actually recomend 250watt fixtures for up to 35' If you wanted to use LED's the DLED 36 delivers the best light output in LED using 36 1w luxeon LED's with reflectors. Best regards, JL
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Re: Color mixing

Jingles8302 ·
well actually if u look around the web site a lot of them have the color mixing. here are a few of them. the power wash 250 and 575E,the design spot 575E, he power spot 700, design washes. and one or two more im sure. so u have a good array of choices from elation if u ask me. peace jingles!
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Re: Color mixing

elationpro ·
Hi Jonathan, I agree, I love the CMY color mixing feature. However this makes a lighting fixture a lot more expensive. Also, its dificult to fit all of these features in a light. So at Elation we are working on incorporating this feature into most of our lights. In the 250 range, if we incorporate CMY in a spot, it will be a bigger light, and be as much as a 575. So if you are already buying a big light, might as well bump up to a 575 fixture. The Elation Design Spot 575e, will be one of the...
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Re: need to know???

elationpro ·
Hi Jingles. When you modify a fixture in the scan library, you can mess with the unit, if you want it to project like a wash or simply be a color changing object. Its up to you how you are using it at the show.
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Re: White Balance issues

mikelights ·
Discharge lamps will always operate at a higher color temp then halogens. You need to use the color correction filter on the color wheel (if the fixture has one) and warm up the color temp to 3250k-3050k to match your S4's. What elation fixture are you using.... we don't have a product just named Color Wash. Thanks!
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Re: compu 2006

evolution78586 ·
Thanks jingles.First of all I have 6 Power Spot 250 and 4 Power Wash 250..Is there anyway to edit that one fixture when I'm creating the page for the spots? you know, after it ask me to enter the DMX address and the # of fixtures then it takes me to the next step that asks me if all the fixtures are on and facing up. My concern is, if i edit just the center button once the page is created,the fixture s still gonna be out of sync with the other pre set cycles/scenes. The fixture giving me the...
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Re: EasyShow

nickcarbone ·
we built little floor mounts for our led par196 lights, clamped one on the back of the bass amp for me (The drummer). we have 4 moving head mini wash lights that are also on the floor. there are 2 colorstrips on each guitar amp. It is a really easy setup, once our instruments and amps are in place we drop the lights and hook them up in less than 5 minutes. our next step i think is black lights.
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Re: Riva 80

Jingles8302 ·
Hey rain. one of my bosses recommends this fixture from acclaim LEDs another one of our comapany's. http://www.acclaimlighting.com/uploads/X-EYE_-HP_acclaim_lighting.pdf check it out. cause we are not sure if the rivas will wash the stage like you want.
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Re: Riva 80

rain ·
Those seem to be 4x brighter at 4meters - am I close to being right?
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Re: black lights

Jingles8302 ·
Did you want suggestions for LEDs? Or for the other kind? We have a uv wash and it is not led. Check it out. Not too sure if it dims though.
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Re: black lights

Jingles8302 ·
update you cannot Dim the uv wash.
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Re: black lights

Jingles8302 ·
serra I meant if is not recommended to hook a dimmer pack to the elation UV WASH. But thanks for elaborating. Sincerely,
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Re: black lights

nickcarbone ·
can i control the uv wash with dmx?
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Re: black lights

serraava ·
Continuing on now: The buzzing noise is known as lamp sing, it's caused by the power being turned on and off really fast. The way this is fixed is more expensive dimmers have what is known as a choke after the SCR so the power change is as dramatic as on/off. The better the quality of dimmer, the less lamp sing you will get. Now why non-dim isn't really non-dim. Despite you setting a dimmer to non dim, either via the pack or the console, the power still passes through the SCR and choke. So,...
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Re: problems with power spot 575?

dannyb ·
I forgot to ask you about the power wash that i have i have 3 machines for the stage everytime i use the chase for the colors the color wheel of one or another gets a mix of different colors. so when i finish using the chase and i want to wash the stage with just one color.. one or two machines will give diferent colors.. i have to reset the machine get all the colors back to a regular order.. is it a signal problem or the machine itself?
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Re: General uplighting for sanctuary - suggestions?

rain ·
Its the emmanuel baptist install. at cathedral peak the ceiling is 27'. would guess on the sides it was 10-12'. (the church with the vaulted ceiling - remember?) Wonder how much spread a PLED36 would give at that distance.... more of a wash than a pin spot perhaps.. trying not to break the bank here
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Re: General uplighting for sanctuary - suggestions?

Jingles8302 ·
are you looking for a wash type light? and i understand your throwing them 10-12 feet? if u want im on my usual instant messenger servies. hit me up lol.
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Re: Is there a 250 spot that will mix color like this?

elationpro ·
bdunard, Yes, a wash will be about from 40 brighter than a spot. You have a lot more light being projected along a bigger beam of light. However, that's all a wash fixture does.. color change.. but the beam of light it projects is impressive. Most rigs require a 1 to 1 ratio where you have 1 wash to every spot. So if you have 8 Spots you should also have 8 washes. But with the Frost filter of the Design Spot's it helps resolve not having to buy so many washes. Still the wash effect of a...
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Re: Is there a 250 spot that will mix color like this?

bdunard ·
Is the "rainbow effect" that is listed on the elation site for the design wash 250 the same smooth color changing that I see in the video? Or is the color change in the video a carefully programmed chase? The design 300 looks great! However I don't think I can pull the trigger on a fixture that is that much more. It's a bit out of my range at this point as I see it lists for $2k more than the Design Spot 250. At the end of the day I would like to have more beams of light I think than just a...
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Re: Is there a 250 spot that will mix color like this?

serraava ·
I would look into the DS 250 Wash for that effect on the cheap. It is the cheapest CMY moving head out I believe. The CMY might not be that punchy on dark colors do to the 250w lamp however. If you are really set on that effect, and it is a great effect, I would look into the washes. Remember, washes can be used for other things too. Stuff like fading in between colors for stage washes smoothly vs color scrolling which you would need twice as many fixtures to do without being seen scrolling...
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Re: Is there a 250 spot that will mix color like this?

bdunard ·
Question regarding the best way to organize scenes. I will have 20 or so scenes. I will have 20 or so switches that I can press at any given time to give my scenes a different look with gobos, prisms, dimmer fx editor chases, cmy fx editor chases, etc.... I see that when I save a scene it puts a button that set of fixtures. If I make a scene that use three pages (say design wash 250, dled 36, and generic dimmer) where should I save that button for that scene. It shouldn't just go on the...
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Re: Is there a 250 spot that will mix color like this?

bdunard ·
I am tring to create a rainbow effect using the effect editor for my design wash 250's. However, when I open the switch window I can't move any of the faders like I can when following the steps in your window. Should you be able to move the faders in the switch window. I need to be able to do that so I can open the shutters and see what the effect is doing. Thanks!
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Re: What are some other uses for moving heads at weddings?

bdunard ·
I definitely know how important lighting is to a wedding...however it's hard to sell a mom on some lights on a band. However, I have found it easier to sell the mood of a room, their name on a gobo, a spotlight on the first dance, uplighting the backdrop or rear wall the same color as the bridesmaid dresses...this is the stuff that makes sense to the purchasers. However, I want the lights for the show! On a side note...I went to demo a design wash 250, and design spot 250 today. If found out...
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Re: Newbie looking for help/advice

christianpyro ·
I will try out the compulive software thanks! I would also like/need a dmx unit to control all of it though. Woould you recomend one for the movers and one for the wash lights or both in one unit? How is this model : Elation DMX Operator Pro Controller? It seemed to have good reviews on other websites. Or is there one specifically that would best suite my needs. I need one that would simply turn everything on and off at this point, and a dimmer would be nice (But I believe you purchase those...
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Re: Newbie looking for help/advice

christianpyro ·
I am going to try out the compulive software that you guys mentioned. Can you download it from elations website? and if so is this just a trial version, or will it work for me? I also understandd that each light you use takes up a certain amount of dmx space. for instance the moving wash lights that I bought take up 15 dmx channels. If I used the compulive sofware would it have a total of 512 dmx channels that I could use? And if so, would this mean that I could run a total of 34 moving...
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Re: Newbie looking for help/advice

christianpyro ·
so this trial version wouldn't work for me. it would just give me an idea of how it works? Then If I liked it I shoulg go buy a more expensive version, such as the elation compu 1024EC ($600 doller model). And this package includes the dongle that will work for me? I am using 2 elation 250 wash lights and several smaller led lights. I will be purchasing other things in the near future however... fog machines, and moving bogos (elation 250 spot).
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Re: Design Spot 575 VS. Power Spot 575

serraava ·
Lol, thanks John. I will touch on the zoom a little bit because it is my favorite feature after CMY. The reasoning is instead of using an iris to make things smaller, you can use the zoom while not losing intensity vs the iris. The zoom on the DS 575 also let's you flood the stage. This, combined with the frost filter allows you to almost make washes with them. Depending on the angle, you can actually pass this off as a wash, namely in side, high side light situations. Truly a great tool.
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Re: Newbie looking for help/advice

christianpyro ·
Ok I'm back... sorry for all of the dumb questions. I am expecting 2 power wash 250's in the mail (should arrive any day now), and now need to look towards buying the rest of my equipment. I was going to try to purchase American DJ PAR64 LED's (8 of them to be exact), and the compulive software (Elation Compu 1024EC PC DMX Lighting Control System). I would then hang the pars ona couple of trees. Would this set up work? Is everything compatible? I was looking at teh forum on American DJ's...
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Re: design 108

bdunard ·
Did you ever get this fixture working? What are your thoughts? I am debating on some new wash fixtures for my light rig and can't decide between Design 36 (already have 8), Colorado 1's, Tri64B's or something else.
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Re: design 108

pulighitng ·
I never got a chance to hook it up to control do to missing parts. I do own several colorado 1 and they are not a good wash lite. They have a very bright narrow Beam and make good beam lights . I like my design 36 as a wash unit and use them in that fashion often. .
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Re: design 108

bdunard ·
Thanks for the info. I am looking to add some wash fixtures to my new stage. I have truss with 6 Elation DLED 36's uplighting an Austrian sewn backdrop, I have added 6 of the new TriBrick LED's as eye candy on the rear truss. Now I just need to get rid of my Source 4's with color changers. I am keeping to S4's to light the singers up front but would like to add 2 to 3 LED wash fixtures on each tree to wash the band (9 piece band). I've been recommended everything. I would like to be in the...
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Re: design 108

serraava ·
I think your best bet would probably to go with DLED36s since they come stock with the 39 degree beam angle. You can also get roughly 2 for the price of one DLED108. Have you looked at the Opti RGB with lens kit? This might be an option since it is cheaper then the DLED36s, with the lens kit. Here is another idea, look at the Opti 30 RGB. You should be able to get between 10-15 at that price range. You can use those 10-15 Opti 30s to replace the DLED36s for your back drop wash and move the...
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Re: design 108

bdunard ·
That would be great if you could post the pics! I think I might go with either a TriBrick or a TriPar. I can't really go with anything less bright on my backdrop. I might keep my DLED 36's on the backdrop and just buck up and pay for the TriPars or TriBrick's for my wash. I am going to borrow a TriPar can and compare it to my TriBrick and DLED 36. I might even get a Colorado 3 since it is in the same price range.
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Re: design 108

serraava ·
Depends on what they are fighting against. When I used them for a back wash on the set for Assassins, they were fine. In dark bars, they are also fine when using other LEDs, 250w movers, 500w\600w pars and/or S4 Pars lamped 575w or Opti Pars lamped 575w. Generally, all these things are back, side, and/or ground effects and the DLED36s light the stage just fine from the front. When pitting them against S4 lekos from anything more then 20-25', forget it. No lenses mean you can't get the beams...
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Re: design 108

bdunard ·
I get what your saying. The problem I am running into now is if I should just go with a S4 par for the front wash lighting. If I do this I still need an LED light to add color when the S4's are off...this looks great when the singers aren't singing...you don't want them lit with a bright wash but you don't want them in the dark either. I wanted to find one fixture per side that would give me color and a good white wash. I bought the DLED 36WA but it doesn't give me a very good white. I...
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Re: Help setting up lights... total noob

rockinpastor ·
Ok... after reading through the forum (which is awesome) last night for a couple of hours I think I figured it out... 1. Set the first DP-415 to read channel 1 2. Set the second DP-415 to start reading at channel 5 3. Set the first group (Back wash) of Color Wash light to read channel 9 (Master/Slave mode) 4. Set the second group (Back lights) of Color Wash lights to read channel 13 (Also Master/Slave mode) Is this right? Am I even close?
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Re: Understanding the DMX Operator

studio42 ·
I'm jumping into this a bit later than I normally would, but I don't normally read this forum, despite the fact that I should. I have the DMX Operator. So, I know how it work quite well. I can't say I know it 100% inside and out, but I can get around it quite easily. I need to refer to the manual for programming it because I can't recall those steps. Other than that, the DMX Operator is my buddy. It is my reliable fall back for MyDMX. Issue 1: The scanner buttons. Each scanner buttonis...
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Re: Profiles for Microh

Jingles8302 ·
I found two you maybe be able to use. i will email them to you in a bit. i found the arena ultra spot 16bit mode and the ultra wash 575. Sincerely,
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Re: Multiple Shutters

serraava ·
There are a couple more then that. You can order VL1000s with either an iris or a shutter like you are talking about. Mac 2k Performance also has shutters. There are some others out there as well. Then beam shapers are the equivalent for wash fixtures, which just about everyone has now a days. They are rarely useful outside a theatre setting, so its kind of a niche market. Always nice to have options however, like 2k Profile and 2k Performance, though I am sure a lot more Profiles are sold...
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Re: Multiple Shutters

Jingles8302 ·
I would like to clarify for Serra, The design WASH's I believe the 300 and up have beam shaper. I dont believe the design wash 250 has a beam shaper. Also the design spot just has a dual flag dimming system. Serra you said DS250 which to me says Design Spot 250 not wash. Sorry if im being a pain. haha. Sincerely,
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Re: Design Wash Led Question

serraava ·
Well, the Designs will blow away the Opti Tri. The LED 60 has 180w of LED behind it and the LED Pro has 324w of LED behind it. The Opti Tri has 54w for comparison. Size wise, the DWLED 60 only has a 15 degree beam vs the 25 degree beam of the DWLED Pro and the Opti Tri. Keep that in mind, because you will need more DWLED 60s to wash a stage then the other two fixtures. Also, the Opti Tri is using tri-color LEDs, so no color shadows. Not sure if this is an issue or not for your application,...
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Re: Design Wash Led Question

ebaclights ·
I agree... Video cameras LOVE the light from those things. Let me ask you this. Are there any plans in the works to do a moving wash with the tri leds? If not, I am considering using some "Right Arms" by Apollo. Thanks, Justin
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Re: Compulive Future Updates - Multisource Lights

Jingles8302 ·
As far as the multiple RGB color sources on a say a bar wash light that is fixed in the profile creator. it allows me to create multiple RGB points in a bar. but as far as seeing a LED effect light like the Revo series from ADJ i don't believe that will ever be seen in the 3D viewer. Hope this answers your question. if not let me know. Sincerely,
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Re: Looking for wash lights for large area but with lots of other features

elationpro ·
Hi Chris, you mention this.. "and my budget is going to exceed $1000, but that's my working number." did you mean "is not" going to exceed? this is an important question due to the price points.. I can recomend a few of the Elation fixtures that would give you great coverage. DLED 60 STRIP ELED RGBW STRIP Even a fixture i'm fading out called the TP84a, Great punch light with good coverage.. but all these fixtures are over $500.00 each. So that being the case ADJ fixtures seems like the way...
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Re: Using Korg NanoControl

studio42 ·
I know what you mean. I'm working on a shadowcast performance in a month. I'm staying strictly technical, keeping my obligations to sound and lights. They have props and set pieces to build, but the bottom line is the show won't happen without me. Since I'm not really into the content of the shadowcast performance(can't really say I enjoy the movie), it's work for me. I'm waiting on lighting direction from the director so I know what I have as a starting point. From there, I can plus it as I...
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Re: framing shutters?

serraava ·
Hey len. I don't believe there are any Elation products with framing shutters. I know the moving head wash fixtures have beam shapers in them, basically a wash equivalent to a shutter. But as far as a hard edge shutter, there are no products that I am aware of.
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Re: framing shutters?

len ·
thx. I guess I was thinking the wash had it but I wasn't sure.
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Re: Crashing...Crashing...Crashing

marc ·
I experienced multiple crashes yesterday while running a show. We use the Compu Live software in a church. Currently we are using it to run color wash LED strips, and elipsoidal Source 4 Juniors. During our first assembly, the software seemed to lose contact with the dongle (one of the green lights went out), and the only fix was to do a hard reset (unplug/replug) the USB dongle. This resulted in the all the lights going off then coming back up to the whatever scenes were active. In the...
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Re: DS 250 case

studio42 ·
Nightraven: (I'm not an employee or agent. I use their stuff and own a live sound production company, so full disclaimer stuff applies...) 1: Personally, in 27 years of live sound and 24 years in IT, I have always found the telephone to be the fastest method of resolve short of flying into the offices of the company I have "issues" with and making it "up close and personal" if you know what I mean. I find web resources, for any company, to be best used when my needs are NOT as urgent. I will...
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Re: Looking for Par64 Replacements, sort of

studio42 ·
Well, then I guess it comes down to, for my comparison purposes: What does the 64 LED Pro compare to as far as output. I think once I know that, I think that may ultimately make my decision. The director says she was pleased with the lighting I provided, so now the issue seems to be SOME color choices were too dark. So, maybe I don't need to get something better. But since I need to place 4 other fixtures for sure(because I hate them), and want to replace 2 others(to reduce power draw). I...
 
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