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Compulive Help-Fixture Page buttons affecting other fixtures

P pitmanMember
(My rig as it is at this show is 4 technobeams, 2 DS 250, 11 mega bars, and 4 dimmer packs. I am programming it all with CompuLive 2006 1024EC.)...this is my first time out on compulive....Anyway...was setting up my show tonight....Have a fixture page for each type of fixture. My understanding is that the buttons on each fixture page will only affect that fixture type and will not affect fixtures on another page. Well i was trying to isolate a problem that I was having with my DS250s so I decided to reset them but it did not seem to work...apparently the [rofile was not set up right for that macro...not sure....but what did happen when I would click any other switch on that page....my technos would go to default position and go dark....I could see all of this happening on the DMX output level window..Unlick that button...everything would go back to normal...click again...same thing.....I am pretty sure that I did somthing but I never figured out what....everything eventually started working again...not sure what i did to fix. Any Ideas....Is there some sort of fixture solo feature that I slopped into accidentally? Any advice would be helpful.

Also...along the same lines as things that i cannot explain...there were a could of times when i noticed that the shutter would close on one of my technos without my doing it....I would click off of the switch that I made and onto another movement switch and the shutter would open again....I checked the switch and the shutter shows as being open on the switch that I had made so I am not sure why it shut...tried manually chaning before click away from that button but that did not affect it. As I said click on another premade button and everything worked again. I am just puzzled....I keep thinking that I have this CL figured out and something like that happens....makes me think that it is buggy!...But I know that it could be me!

Thanks in advance for the advice.

Shane
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P pitmanMember
Fixing to send file as reguested...

i will mention that even though this is my first live event using CL....I have been playing with it and the 3d visualizer for quite some time.....and honestly with that feature I have learned tons! I really thought that I had a comfort level with it until last night when everything started to "freak out". i was tired last night so the problem could easily be me....i also was experiencing some power issues last night that kept cause the lamp in one of my Tbeams to go out...(it is a problem that we have had before)..but not the fixture where the shutter closed unexpectedly.....Right now my thought process is that using the 3d visualizer fgor so long while learning has given me an unrealistic comfort level of live fixture control......i do want to see if I understand programming a live show properly....1. Set up fixture pages for each fixture type.....2. Create switches/scenes with movements, static looks, construct mods, etc. to get the look(s)that you are going for on each page for each fixture type. 3. Create the show...Create the look on the stage that you want combining scene/switches on each fixture page....Then same that look to a scene on the "Master" tab incorporating a fade if needed.......Am I pretty much on track with my programming scene buiding process?

thanks again for the help.

Shane
P pitmanMember
Thanks for looking at the show and the DS profile....I have my concerns about using the CL for my show in lieu of my SD3 since I have heard that boards were less "quirky" than software based dmx programs. In your honest opinion Jingles is there any truth to that or is software control equally as reliable assuming that you have all of the correct profiles and such?

Thanks

Shane
J Jingles8302Admin
I have had people call me at a gig and tell me the program was crashing, so yes it can happen and does happen. Will it happen to you? I don't know. It's all about being prepared for the worst. Keep a stable version and several copies of your show file on a back up thumb drive or something. Back up all your profiles. Back up a good restore point from your PC even. If your hardware is good and reliable and we really don't release or try our best not to release any known buggy software update versions you should be good.
Hope this helps. and if you ever do need help, I'll be there to help you out. I'm very good at what I do.
Sincerely,
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P pitmanMember
Well...gotta pull back and punt for my show for this weekend and use my SD3....I kinda expected that I would have to this first go round.

Just too much erratic behavior for my taste with my Tbeams...I literally went round and round with them tonight....First I fired them up...on one fixture lamp was not lit so I struck it...pretty soon another lamp went out....struck it.....on another fixture the shutters would close....would home that fixture...then a fixture would become unresponsive.....I felt like I was chasing my tail! So I just gave up....I am not sure what to try....None of these issues relate to the hardware...Is it possible that I have a bad Tbeam fixture profile?...I am pretty sure that I have a bad something....checked all cables....anyway back to the Show Designer 3 i go!

Thanks

Shane
P pitmanMember
Haven't used the SD3 yet....In the past...no I have not had problems....I think that I may know what the problem is....and that is power....The show is at a local mall and it has less than favorable power and I think that is the source of my problems.....the Tbeams when they are low on power will act erratically....I am not 100% certain yet as I have not tested my theory but that is a common denominator to all of the tbeam fixtures...once I test i will report back. Thanks Jingles for all of your help thus far....Shane
P pitmanMember
Alrighty ...found the problem with the Technobeams...It was in fact low power....That being corrected...Finally!...I got to work on programming and have hit a couple of snags...

1. Still having my original issue with buttons on one page affecting fixtures on another....jingles...I am going to email you a link to a video that shows what I am talking about...It mostly shows just the DMX out the channels not affected by the current page will change as described...Sorry for the length of the video but I was halfway trying to troubleshoot as I was videoing.
2. How do I link the overall page fader to the correct channel in my fixture profile....I tested creating a show scene on the master page tonight and added a dimmer to the button for the scene that I created....when I fad it down all the fixtures fade woith the exception of the Tbeams...So I dig into the page fixture setting and cliked the box that says "Enable Dimmer Function"...So I thought that licked it until i realized that the dimmer was associated with the shutter channel and not the dimmer channel! So when you fade the Tbeams strobe and every other thing the do in the range of that channel..So I need to know how to associate the fade dimmer with the proper channel on the fixture......i would assume that if I fix this that the overall page dimmer would also funtiopn as intended for the Tbeams...correct?....Is this a Profile issue?
3. Lastly...I know how to setup scene fade-ins....but how do you set the fade to gradually "un-dim" the fixture? I want the fixtures to move to their respective positions and then the light to fade-in...

Thats it for now.

I am thinking that once I get these things ironed out I might get to get my show programmed!...I am hoping to get that done tomorrow night.

Thanks

Shane
J Jingles8302Admin
1) Looking forward to the video although it sounds offhand like a dmx address issue. But then you would have other thing happening too. Weird.
2) sounds like you linked the dimmer function to the shutter channel. Unlink that function and link it to the actual dimmer channel. I looked at the techno beam 14 and 18 channel profiles in the high end folder. you have a dedicated dimmer on a fader. They should dim. you can send me the tbeam profile your using that might help.
3) You can do this easily using Easy step.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvkG5ZwXVqk
Easy step part starts at about 4 minutes in. but watch the first minute.Or just watch the whole thing lol.
Sincerely,
P pitmanMember
Video Sent...Let me know what you think....

I think that I figured out the how to link the dimmer channel in the profile to the dimmer in CL....When I did it before i did not expand the fixture channel tree...didn't realize that you could...Anyway, last night when i got home I dug into a little more and found out that you have the option to link the "Fader" Speed" or "Dimmer" sliders to whatever channels you want them to be associated with.....That being said i understand the "dimmer" function ...but what does the "Fader" function do?

As a side bar I am finding out that some fixture profiles are not as robust as others....in this case i am thinking that the profile that I am using was just not set-up with the dimmer associations that i am having to manually do...since other fixtures "out of the box" have those associations "built-in" to the profile...Is my thinking correct?

Shane
P pitmanMember
Thanks for your help...got the dimmer issue fixed and the fading like I like...well to get me by! Smiler...I did have another question since I keep getting curve balls thrown my way...Hopefully this is easy...some of the swictehs that I created on each fixture page with movment i would combine a color modulate switch with so that while the fixtures were moving the color would change to the beat of the music using the bpm analyzer...Well when I combined those switches into a scene on the Master page I lost the abilty to change the color to the beat of the music while just using the scene button....I can add it by going to the ficture page and enabling again....but then it stays active at every scene change...Is there any way to keep that BPM integrity when saving to a scene...or am I not doing something? I really need that feature since I use it often. It really gives the illusion that the lights are moving to the beat of the music when they are not. Thanks....
P pitmanMember
That is correct....but i did not set it up that way in the scene as saved on the master page. i just had the switch clicked when i saved the scene on the master using "As you seen now". Now I will say this .....the color still changes but it is not in sync to the beat of the music that is being monitored at the time the scene is active....I am not sure if it just saved the change rate at the time that I saved the scene or what..... I just felt as if i should still have the same control over affect of the bpm on the newly saved scene as i did when I saved it.. Hope this makes sense...Shane

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