Design 36 LED

Hmm.. Doesn't make sense.
the effects have a speed control. When you are using the FX the dimmer then turns to a speed control so you may need to adjust the speed to make it look right.

Give it a shot.

I am almost sure that it is not related to speed control but i will look at it one more time. It appears like it plays the sequence then rewinds very quickly and plays again.

is there anyway you could record video of it and put it on youtube for us to see? just wondering. jingles.

I have took another look at a unit and in stand alone mode program 1- 7 have this neurotic strobing thing going on. This renders them almost useless in stand alone mode except program 8 unless your gig requires a neurotic theme I will ad a controller and look at the programs that way also

PU.. I have a DLED 36 next to me.
Please let me know exactly what you are doing so I can try to make it happen here.

switch 7 and 11 on for stand alone mode.

1+7 on = program 1
2+7 on = program 2...

All of the programs except #8 (seitch 1+3+7+11) have a strobe part that makes the program look bad. If this is intended then it seems like a mistake.

i have alos just noticed that the unit has a 7 chanel DMX asignment sheet on line and the manual says it is six chanels How am i to know which i have ? This may help as the first chanel of the seven looks like it now addresses my issue

I have the same problem when i use a DMX controler. Each program has a strobe at the end

PU about ur previos question i believe all DLED36's have 7 channel capabilities. u just have to address them in 7 channel mode. now are you running all 20 of these with no DMX controler or are you using a dmx controler if so which one. try adressing them in 7 channel each and see if u have the master dimmer function on ch. 7. peace! jingles.

My units are 6 channels like the manual says. 1= red 2= green 3= blue 4= FX 5= strobe 6= dimmer .I have had them on an Avolites Pearl, a strand 550, a Elation Magic 260 , a dove systems IQ512 and a Baxter systems pocket console. I love the light and am using them on a bunch of shows but as far as the internal programs go they are not performing in a manor that is suitable of a professional quality unit. Is it possible to upgrade the chip to function in seven channel mode? I also have 6 of the design 60 LED strips ant the programs in this unit work very well.

I have the same problems as well with a few Design LED 36s I just ordered. Great lights, but the standalone programs have strobing in them as well as the internal programs via DMX.

Also, according to one of the paper manuals I have in front of me right now, there are two DMX modes. The first is 6 channel mode: R, G, B, Programs, Strobe, Dimmer. The second mode is 3 channel mode: R, G, B.

guys im tellin ya. you can put them in 7-channel mode. i know i did it on compuware on the WFX booth this past month in atlanta. u have to allow 7 channels per unit to the next. try it and get back to me. channel 7 is a master dimmer. ok? peace! jingles.

That just explains channel issues, not the strobing with internal programs and stand alone. The revision of the manual is from 12/06, and the 7 channel list is from 5/07, so the manual has yet to be updated for 7 channels or 6 channel lights are still being made/sold. What I stated is merely what was in black and white in front of me and what was sent with the product. It is also quite possible that PU lighting has an older, 6 channel version of the light and not the 7 channel. I know that when I use mine, they respond with 6 channels, not 7. I don't know how old the lights physically are, but Channel 1-3 is RGB respectively, 4 is internal programs, 5 is strobe, and 6 is dimmer. So when patched one to one, channel 7 brings up red on the second light without effecting the first.

I have a great idea Jingles why dont you tell us how to put them in seven channel mode. My options are 3 and six and it does not matter how you address the control if the light can not be put in seven channel mode itself. I am standing by to buy 20 more units but it is now a long stand by.

ok actualy i was talking with elation today and it looks like there is an error of some kind there in FACT is no 7 ch. configuration for this unit. i apologize. i figured since there was an offical trait cut sheet then it had to be true. i don't work directly in l.a. with the rest of the guys im out in WI. and sometimes get out of the loop on things and i haven't had the chance to really demo the DLED 36's. i apologize for any confusion due in my part. elation will be taking the 7ch trait sheet down soon. once again sorry. peace! jingles.

So i guess in the long run i will not find my answer here. How about elation pro you were going to give it a try what did you find?

elatin pro and a bunch of the other people from elation and american dj are now in orlando for this week's LDI. so you may or may not get a response from him sometime this week. also it never hurts to shoot a call to our service department and there is a toll free number. give them a call see if they have a Dled they can use while your talking to them and see if they see the problem too. best regards. jingles.

I am glad to hear that they are at LDI i sent my guy to talk with them directly at the booth. A little face time might help.

oh ya i wanted to go but couldn't. ya have your guy ask for mikey g or jon lopez, they are both cool dudes and should help you out. also have ur guy take pics! supposed to be a BIG elation booth. tons of lights. at least 14 impression leds alone!! peace! jingles.

So it seems that it is what it is with this unit. No help from the staff at LDI and I called tech support and was told that this is waht they intended the FX to look like. So if you are looking for a unit that has preprogram or stand alone effects then this one is not it.

you know PU i always liked the challenge of making and programming and editing my own programs. the DLED 36's are nice lights and you can program them easy but if there not for you then they are not for you. peace! sincerely jingles.

Hey guys, I'm back.. and I tested the DLED 36 at LDI for PU.
It turns out that every internal program has a strobe scene.

I'll bring this up to R&D and see if they can make some simple color scrolling scenes. If this is possible it may be a simple chip swap.

Best regards,

John and Ron ,
Thank you for your help on this problem. I am excited to hear that this might have a simple solution. I know that it is hard to please everyone with pre program effects but I feel strongly that this was a design flaw, and not just my picky personality trying to have my cake and eat it to. Given the time I would often write my own effects but when it comes to the people I am renting these units to just having them change colors without the strobing would make life allot easer. We had demos of many manufactures of LEDs over a 3 month period and compared brightness, color, and ease of use and for the price point the elation design 36 beat all. They have quickly become the work horse for many of our events, but would be even more useful if you could plug them in and walk away. I think the unit is great and I am just trying to contribute to a better product in the end, and at the same time protect my large investment into a up and coming lighting manufacturer

PU..

I noticed this in the internal programs as well a when we were first selling them, but didn't pay much attention to it.
However you mentioned setting them and walking away..
I have used them in stand alone, color scrolling settings in the past.. without a controller, and did not get the strobing flash.
Let me see if I can find that setting for you so you can set them and walk away.

I think it is program 8 that does not flash

Any word from R&D

Nope.. nothing yet..
I found the setting I use for stand alone color mix is 1,3 and 7.
This creates a slow color fade.

any word from R&D

R&D is going to leave it as is.
The response was that color mix 1,3 and 7 work good.

Best regards,

I guess that is what i was waiting for it is a shame that 7 of the 8 programs are bad and that is that. I will be ordering the next twenty units sometime this week only i will be going with the Colorado1 from chauvet. I have ten of this units and the feature sets and service are way better and the price is $100+ better then the design 36. I am also starting to have problems with my design 60 units and will be shoping for another brand to complete my need for 15 more units.

Anything new on these fixtures?
I have a client interested in a handful of them for his sanctuary.

i would reccomend using a controller for these lights as the internal programs are not goin to be changed however there is a pleasing setting for a color scroll.
sincerely,

PU...
Guess what, without letting me know our R&D has new software chips that remove the strobing from the programs. Now only 2 programs have the strobing function.

Let me know how many you will be needing.

Best regards,

This is very good news. I was on the fence as to whether to buy more because of the strobing. Will new ones shipped have the chip installed or included?

New ones will have upgraded chips.
Just make sure you comment that on your order, just in case.

Wow this is great. I have not moved forward on my next order of LED lighting yet so this news also helps get me off the fence. I would need 20 chips to replace old units. Now if you tell me that I can get a smaller beam angle with the units and some diffusion filters for my Design 60 I might just hug you.

Thank you very much.

I would also like to add that i have found a few issues with my chauvet Colorado 1 units and was not willing to buy more of them yet. I do need a unit with a narrow beam like they have

Hi PU.. Believe me, I am also glad our R&D department jumped on it. I just wished they would have told me, instead of telling me they couldn't.

We will have lens kits for them as well, but it looks like a 15 and 45 degree kit.

I know they are working on an 8 or 12 degree lens kit, but nothing yet.

FYI.. Price on the DLED 36 went down a few dollars so you'll be able to get a better price, and we are introducing the DLED 108IP, which is a DLED 36 with K2 Leds, and IP65 rated.

Send me an e-mail for the 20 chips you need to John@elationlighting.com and i'll work on getting those chips to you.

Best regards,

Thats good to hear. If they've not been ordered today, I plan on picking up 24 of these and a pair of the moving head versions from my rep. Jeff Mathis.