Show Designer 3 Profile Problem

If you give me your email, I'll send you the one I have. It matches the manual I have for this light.

New Earth,

I have the same fixtures and the washes...

Do you want to buy mine? I have not ran them on the SD3.

It is against forum rules to try to sell your gear. Please exchange emails and discuss that way.
Sincerely,

Yes, Sir. Sorry, Im new to this forum

No problem. Just letting you know.
Welcome to the forums
Sincerely,

My email is newearthlighting@live.com

thanks a lot.

ill be glad to chat with you about your lights as well

so now that I have the right profile, the effects engine for the chases still won't work right. basically every one of the shapes just sends the movers in a jerking motion that never fully creates the shape and eventually it will point them all in the air and lock position. changing the x and y parameters helps a little but it never makes an actual pattern.

I had a similar problem. Go under the "modify fixture" section of the main menu and ensure the pan and tilt channels (and pan/tilt fine) are correctly set to the correct channel. If not correct them. Cleared one of my issues.

First, check that the pan and tilt is set correctly by running each fixture with the joystick or the wheel. Another thing to check is the DMX address. It it's off by one you will have this same problem. Once the pan and tilt is working right, adjust the parameters of the motion effect like the scale and position. The center of the effect is controlled by the joystick and the size is set while recording the effect using the menu settings.

Well, let me start by telling you what exactly I'm doing step by step. I select record a shape chase, then select my fixtures. After that I select the parameters and adjust the center. Then I have no other option on the board but to simply save it. Am I missing a step? I had another person tell me I had to actually create the shape myself, even after I select "circle" or "figure 8", but I'm slightly confused about how to finish it out. Hopefully when I get my new platinums in a week I won't have the same problems as the coemars.

You can view the chase as you are editing it by pressing the go switch. That way you can see what you are adjusting. After it is running the way you want it, toggle the fixture switch off so you can save the chase. The SD3 needs to know the location of the pan and tilt channels to make it work so if those aren't right it's not going look right.

that's what I'm confused about. The original profile was wrong, but sd sent me one that was right (with correct pan and tilt) and it made the shapes seem to try a little harder; but alas they still don't make it correctly, or smoothly. Is there a show designer 3 direct help line or does elation have support that in depth?

You can call in for support during the week or keep trying here. One thing I've noticed is that you have to set the shapes's x and y scale to some small value on some lights, otherwise the circle turns into a crazy figure 8. That's usually on yoke type fixtures.

So I finally got the shape chases to work but not with the coemars. The Platinum's I ordered worked immediately with no hitch.

At this point, I'm confused why someone with compulive can use there chases with my coemar movers and they will work but even though I have the right profiles now, it still won't work right.

it honestly feels like a flaw in the sd3 programming that could be corrected with an update.

... :P

The SD3 ignores the fixture type when running shape chases. It only outputs generic values for the pan and tilt channels. It sounds like your 4 pan and tilt channels might still be set to the wrong numbers.

Is there a possible custom profile I could get? The last one jingles sent to me looked correct and works with the factory presets even. The first four channels should be pan, fine pan, tilt, fine tilt. I really don't even care if the rest of the channels are correct at this point.

Try testing the pan and tilt channels using the joystick or wheels first. Select the light then see if the labels over the wheels actually match what the light is doing. If it's not right, let me know what's off.

See thats whats confusing. The channels were wrong at one point but with the new profiles, the labels above the wheels are all correct now. The first five read:
1 pan 2 fine pan 3 tilt 4 fine tilt 5 speed

which should all be correct according to the manual.

With the lights connected, do the wheels move the fixture's pan and tilt the way it is labeled? If not there is a mode issue or something else going on. Also, the pan tilt speed setting might need to be set correctly to make the shapes work.

The tilt wheel and joystick did not work even though they were actually labeled correctly.

BUT!!!!....!!!

...finally I found out the problem. I went to modify fixture and found that in this menu, the pan/tilt channels were wrong so I changed them and the shape chases work :-) FINALLY!!!!!

What's confusing here though, is that in this same menu I saw that the dimmer and shutter channels were set to "none". When I changed them to the appropriate channels, 6 & 7, the dimmer and shutter wouldn't work anymore even by changing the fixture channels on the flex fader. I couldn't get them to come back on until I changed those back to "none". Anybody explain that one?

Also, what does it mean by black channel in this menu? It's set to "all"

I think maybe you didn't reset the fixture after loading in the new profile. Just loading the profile doesn't automatically change the fixture to the new settings. You have to delete the fixture then re-select the new profile that you just loaded to reset all the channels.