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probleme midicon fader

M madMember
Hi
I am lighting in France
I use software emulation Elation, Elation Midicon and controller.
Two small problems occur to me then a long time with the controller Midicon.
For example, the first problem: When I am on page 1 and I ride the fader 1, if I go to another page of the fader faders one of the new page takes the value of 1 page 1 fader. This happens with all faders assets: what is really embettant because when I change pages of faders, the faders will snap unless I did so without hit and I like it.
Example for the second problem: when I am on page 1 and I ride the fader to 100%, I'm on another page of faders, physically my fader 1 remained at 100% while qu'Emulation me on this new poster page one fader to 0%. When I move my fader 1 on the new page, taking into account the physical value of the fader and it's not software so that I spend 100% so I do not want to.
I also have a Behringer BCF2000 midi controller, there are no problems for the faders are motorized.
It should therefore be the motorized faders midicon or program emulation in that the faders do not take into account the physical fader value when the value displayed by the software is equal to the physical fader value.
Clearly when I change page, I have put my fader can midicon on the same level as displayed on Emulation without change of state, and only when this level is reached again I can change the state.
I also used professionally in theater Pronto Avab him and faders that are not mechanical and offsets as explained above.
I hope you will quickly and optimize your software to solve these two faultless.
Greetings informed
Mad
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M madMember
good evening

I'm on Macbook Pro. I also have a PC.
I installed the latest version: Version 1.3.40 Emulation
the problem is the following:
When I'm on page 1 of the controller MIDICON and I raise the fader 1 to 100%.
The logician fader 1 page 1 also makes 100%.
If I change my page and I'm on page 2, the software fader 1 page 2 is 0%.
On MIDICON controller is on page 2, the fader 1 is toujourss on 100% I gave to the fader 1 page 1 position. If I move the fader 1 page 2, as it is already at 100% physically I am in 100%.
On the other lighting consoles that I use, which does not have motorized faders when I change page and my fader is not in the same physical value as indicated by the screen, the fader will not change unless the physical value is equal to that of the screen.
Clearly if I ride the fader 1 page 1 to 100%, and I'm on page 2, if I move the fader 1, the console that I can get the fader 1 page 2 to a value indicated by the console without that there was a change of state. Once the physical fader level 1 page 2 is the same as that indicated by the screen as soon as I move the fader 1 page 2, it recheck the status of the value.
Two solutions facing you:
-Create a actulisation that changes Emulation for him to do the same
-Install motorized faders on the next version of MIDICON (like the Behringer BCF2000 controller)
 I had raised the issue last year, but no update has solved the problem so I raise you to try to solve this problem
I also saw on the forum that I am not the only one to have said.
Hoping that quick fix happens, I remain your contact for any further info

Greetings informed

Mad
M madMember
the problem is simple:
if I'm on page 1, I ascend the physical fader 1 to 100% with MIDICON the software virtual fader 1 page 1 is the same so far no problem.
If I change the page having to leave my physical fader 1 page 1 100% lorque I get to page 2, the software changes the very virtual fader value 1 since we're on page 2 and the fader 1 page 2 is at 0% but against the fader page 1 2 MIDICON he has not adjusted to the new page because MIDICON does not have motorized faders.
M madMember
le problème est simple:
si je suis en page 1, que je monte le fader physique 1 à 100% avec le MIDICON sur le logiciel le fader virtuel 1 page 1 fait de même donc jusque là pas de problème.
Si je change de page en ayant laisser mon fader 1 physique page 1 à 100%, lorsque j'arrive sur la page 2, le logiciel change bien la valeur virtuel du fader 1 vu qu'on est en page 2 et que le fader 1 page 2 est à 0% mais par contre le fader physique 1 page 2 du MIDICON lui ne s'est pas ajusté au changement de page car le MIDICON ne possède pas de faders motorisés.
Pour info, le fader 1 page 1 et le fader 1 page 2 ne contrôle pas la même chose.
M madMember
the problem is simple:
if I'm on page 1, I ascend the physical fader 1 to 100% with MIDICON the software virtual fader 1 page 1 is the same so far no problem.
If I change the page having to leave my physical fader 1 page 1 to 100% when I get to page 2, the software changes the very virtual fader value 1 since we're on page 2 and the fader 1 page 2 is at 0% but against the physical fader 1 page 2 MIDICON he has not adjusted to the new page because MIDICON does not have motorized faders.
FYI, the fader 1 page 1 and page 2 1 fader does not control the same.
M madMember
the problem is simple:
if I'm on page 1, I ascend the physical fader 1 to 100% with MIDICON the software virtual fader 1 page 1 is the same so far no problem.
If I change the page having to leave my physical fader 1 page 1 to 100% when I get to page 2, the software changes the very virtual fader value 1 since we're on page 2 and the fader 1 page 2 is at 0% but against the physical fader 1 page 2 MIDICON he has not adjusted to the new page because MIDICON does not have motorized faders.
When I use the BCF2000 Berhinger controller instead of MIDICON, the problem does not arise since its faders are motorized.
For information, fader 1 and fader 1 page 1 page 2 does not control the same.
M madMember
the problem is simple:
if I'm on page 1, I ascend the physical fader 1 to 100% with MIDICON the software virtual fader 1 page 1 is the same so far no problem.
If I change the page having to leave my physical fader 1 page 1 to 100% when I get to page 2, the software changes the very virtual fader value 1 since we're on page 2 and the fader 1 page 2 is at 0% but against the physical fader 1 page 2 MIDICON he has not adjusted to the new page because MIDICON does not have motorized faders.
When I use the BCF2000 Berhinger controller instead of MIDICON, the problem does not arise since its faders are motorized.
For information, fader 1 page 1 has an assigned memory and fader 1 page 2 does not control the same thing: he has another memory have assigned him.
M madMember
Did you actually read what I wrote in my previous mail?
"Two small problems Occur to me then a long time with the controller Midicon.
For example, the first problem: When I am on page 1 and I ride the fader 1, if I go to another page of the fader faders one of the new page takes the value of 1 page 1 fader. This happens with all faders assets: what is really embettant Because when i change pages of faders, the faders Will snap Unless I did so without hit and I like it.
Example for the second problem: when I am on page 1 and I ride the fader to 100%, I'm on another page of faders, fader 1 Physically my Remained at 100% while qu'Emulation me on this new poster page one fader to 0%. When I move my fader 1 on the new page, taking into account the physical value of the fader and it's not software so That I Spend 100% so I do not want to.
I aussi Have a Behringer BCF2000 midi controller, there are no problems for the faders are motorized.
It shoulds therefore be the motorized faders midicon'm his emulation program or the faders do not take into account the physical fader value When the value displayed by the software is equal to the physical fader value.
Clearly when i change page, I have put my fader can midicon on the same level as displayed on Emulation without change of state, and only When this level is reached again I can change the state.
I aussi used professionally in theater Pronto Avab him and faders That Are not mechanical and offsets as Explained above.
I hope You Will Quickly and optimize your software to solve thesis two faultless. "
FM Former Member
again sir, there is no problem with the software or the midi con. and yes i did read your previous post. i have tried this here on my part and found nothing wrong with ether software or controller. if the fader 1 on page 1 is set to 100% it will remain on 100% bot on the software and on the midicon, until you bring it down to 0%. if you leave the fader on the midicon at 100% and then move on to page 2, the fader on the midicon will stay up at 100%,but on the software it will stay down at 0% because the fader has not been raised back up so that the software can recognize it. so again this is not a problem with the software or the midicon. the midicon does not have a motorized faders so they will not go down automatically. hope this helps.
M madMember
Hello

Since our last discution in July Visaual Production released Cuelux Pro.
Following the last update Cuelux Pro and even discution that I had with them and you about problems Midicon on Cuelux software and Emulation software, I am delighted that they have taken note of my comments .

I saw that Visual Productions had corrected the problem of MIDI controllers with non-motorized faders. Now, the faders on Midicon not control the faders when the software faders Midicon reached the same value as those of the software.

If it is possible to correct the problem Cuelux Pro, I hope they will do the same for Cuelux in its next update.

And you, when will you solve the problem of Emulation and when the output Emulation Pro?

greetings informed

Mad
K kyranMember
Hi,
I am considering buying a midicon and I am wondering if I am uderstanding this correctly.

If Page 1 Fade 1 controllers dimmer Par Cans
I have that set to 100%

I change to Page 2 without moving the fade 1 down so it is still at 100%. If on page 2 this controls dimmer of moving heads.

Will all the movers move to 100% or will I have to move the fader again for the software to recognise the change?
M madMember
quote:
Originally posted by Kyran:
Hi,
I am considering buying a midicon and I am wondering if I am uderstanding this correctly.

If Page 1 Fade 1 controllers dimmer Par Cans
I have that set to 100%

I change to Page 2 without moving the fade 1 down so it is still at 100%. If on page 2 this controls dimmer of moving heads.

Will all the movers move to 100% or will I have to move the fader again for the software to recognise the change?


Good evening
The problem persists on the emulation software. For against this same problem has been corrected on the Pro Emulation software.
Otherwise MIDICON controller works well it's just a software problem.
Hoping to have answered your questions
greetings informed
Mad
R russMember
I recently purchased Elation Emulation and a multi touch monitor because it stated 100% touch screen compatible. After finding out that it isn't actually 100% touch screen compatible i shelled out another $550 for a Midicon controller. I too have had the same issues with using this controllers faders from bank to bank. I understand they aren't motorized so i get that they wont "locate" to the settings on the next bank , however. If Bank 1 is set to 100% and bank two, same fader is set to 0%, as soon as I start to slide the fader down , the software jumps up to wherever the physical midicon fader is at when you start moving it. (in this case 100%) which can make a light show look horrible. My next solution, i just ordered a Behringer BCF2000(another $299) as it has motorized faders. It seems this problem could be corrected if the Emulation software would ignore physical fader movement above or below its current software state until it reaches that level and then the fader would react. I am up to $1650 to try and get this software to do what I want it to. I am hoping there might be an update that will correct either the touch screen issue and/or program the software to ignore midi fader movement until it reaches its current state in the software. Either of these two things would make me a happy customer. I feel I am at the point of no return with how deep i have gone out of pocket.

Sincerely,
Russ
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J Jingles8302Admin
I spoke with the engineer who wrote the midicon firmware, "Emulation software handles the MIDIcon faders different than most other software will. It ignores the MIDI channel from the faders so the page lock feature is not a factor. The customer is correct in that the fader will jump when changing pages since the software is only looking at the fader position."
So, sorry to say but this is intended for the midicon.
sdmansdmanMember
This only applies to Emulation software. Normally, the MIDIcon will change the MIDI channel of the faders when the page is changed, but only if the fader is not currently active. The fader holds it's channel until it is released by pulling it down to 0. Emulation ignores this feature and handles all of this internally.

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